M41 F47
Climate change activist
October 11 2019
- Posted from rhpmobile
Comments
FeistyFatty
5 years ago
They're ridiculous and harsher punishments need to be instituted. They are an absolute nuisance and know they can cause as much interruption with their little theatrics as they can because nothing happens..... sprawled all over the news all day which is EXACTLY what they want; attention. Climate Change Protest....The Bandwagon on 2019🙄🙄
teejaylongsword
5 years ago
Hi Op. I'm not sure that everyone in the community here would be expecting such a question in here. This has become a political issue and some choose not to talk about politics socially because when people are trying to connect, they don't want any barriers such as politics or religion to get in the way.
The question itself is worth asking though, so since you ask ...
A protest needs to gain attention. So 'pissing people off' (unfortunately) is part of it. The protesters could be all 'nice and good' and simply write a letter directly to government, but this is likely to fall on deaf ears (since the government is a conservative one) and we would not be talking about the issue right now.
The protesters do not have to present solutions. The solution is already known, but not everyone in society wants the solution. The solution is to stop polluting as soon as possible and to adopt energy sources and transport solutions that do not pollute as soon as possible. This is not easy. Societal change is very hard. Some even think there is no problem (Carbon dioxide is invisible for instance).
As for the protesters using materials for their banner - well some of them may indeed be made out of responsible material (I don't know. Do you?). If the banners were not made of responsible material, I think the small 'bad' is out weighed by the greater good - assuming you believe in science and the majority of scientific opinion.RHP User
5 years ago
It’s not hard to pick holes in the arguments on any side of the debate, being green doesn’t mean living in the dark ages, and when an argument is argued so emotionally hard facts can be a casualty.
The big thing for me is free speech, if we don’t defend that, if we allow free speech to suffer because it suits us at the time then we’re fucked. Both the left and right extremists have tended to use tactics that rather than argue or debate an issue, rely on shutting the other side down so they can’t be heard. This is so dangerous.
My fear is that Greta Thunberg will be to climate change what Bob Brown was to Adani, an own goal.
As far as climate change itself goes, it seems to be getting harder and harder to discern facts from propaganda so I see it like this.
If climate change is bullshit and we got it wrong then the worst outcome is we have spent billions on renewables and recycling etc then at the end of the day at least we have cleaner air, water etc and less reliance on Middle Eastern oil, at least there is a benefit even if it was an expensive perhaps misdirected one.
If climate change is real and we ignore it and carry on as we are, what then ? We’re royally fucked.
Divisive topic, hope it goes well.RHP User
5 years ago
There have been people actively protesting for years. Some have been doing their own bit to help the planet without seeking recognition . For example, the 2 guys who invented a device that cleans plastics from the ocean. The people planting whole new forests. All of a sudden everyone is turning into a passionate activist. There are conflicting scientific reports about global warming. If everyone tried their best and made a few changes it would be of more benefit than a few people jumping on the current bandwagon which is fast turning into a circus.
compressor
5 years ago
I agree with you sweetpussy4u. We can just switch off coal fired power stations and just use wind power ect. We cant afford to and not set up for it. Peak demand for power is when the sun goes down so there is no sun and the wind has dropped. We just have to be smart the way we go about all this and work towards a better outcome. These guys are just taking it too far with no consideration for anyone else or a common sense approach to looking after our environment. Everyone of us should be working towards protecting the environment no questions there but lets be smart about it
RHP User
5 years ago
We were a bit unsure when I posted this as to the response we would get but a lot more relaxed now We have seen some quite intelligent responses. And some quite valid points
RHP User
5 years ago
Sad that people are more concerned about climate change protesters instead of listening to what they are actually saying and thinking about the devastating impacts it will have on our future. Scientific climate change evidence is unequivocal. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) latest report was based on 9,200 peer-reviewed studies, written by around 800 experts and scientists. It found that climate change will increase the likelihood of "severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems." Please show me the conflicting studies that show climate change isn't a huge issue and why we shouldn't be doing anything about it.
I'm sorry protesters are pissing you off.The fact that man-made pollution is behind 1 in 4 premature deaths worldwide pisses me off.
I'm sorry that you find protests a nuisance, maybe make you late for for work.The fact that climate change is leading to an increase in droughts, heat waves, bush fires, floods and stronger and more intense hurricanes/typhoons annoys me.
I'm sorry you find protesters annoying.Rising sea levels due to climate change literally washing away beachfront properties and recreational areas annoys me. Not to mention it can also contaminate drinking water.
These are just a few of the many issues climate change presents. With the exception of driving cars, even if lots of people stop doing things that contribute to climate change, it will not be enough. This is because the top 100 companies contribute to around 70% of climate change and many of these companies impede changes to cleaner methods. This is why the climate strikes and protests are so important. It's in the governments power to make changes and at the moment, according to dozens of scientific reports, they are not doing a good enough job.
Climate change is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. And the way to communicate that urgency, historically, in terms of actually being able to change policies, is getting out in the streets.RHP User
5 years ago
Without getting in to specifics, there are a number of tragedies impeding real progress, the first is the truth, both sides are exaggerating and manipulating the truth to get the result they want, that just leaves ordinary people confused and disinterested.Second is the timeframe, the problem as it stands has taken a couple of generations to accumulate and will take several generations to ameliorate. Thats hard to get your head around. And elections are every 3 years.Selfishness and self interest are hard rocks to budge, many surveys have shown a majority of Australians support action against climate change and yet we voted for the government that scrapped the carbon tax and we voted in a government that supports coal and Adani. And thats just us.
coxtheparadox
5 years ago
Wow - what a great discussion .. goes to show that when people open their minds (in the bedroom) that it follows in other areas. I think we should be running the show and that an active RHP account should be mandatory for politicians!
To the topic at hand. I am on the side of the protesters for what it is worth, but would vigorously defend the right to disagree and respect the opinion of those against them.
It is my understanding that the vast majority of the scientific opinion says that climate change is real and there is a huge body of work for ways to contribute to a solution. It is not a "one shot" fix - but rather a concerted effort by governments, corporations and individuals to effect change.
As to the protests pissing people off... that is actually the whole point! I laughed when I listed to the radio and heard a politician in Brisbane say that there is a place for protests and that they should not inconvenience people on their way to work. If those protesters had conveniently voiced their opinion at parliament house or the city square as directed no one would be talking about them. One guy roped under a bridge has created a nationwide discussion - talk about effective activism! Yes, he will be accountable under the law for any infractions but that is the price that those that protest are willing to pay to make take this issue to centre stage.
I have protested before on issues I felt passionate about, but have never been one of those willing to be arrested for the cause (although I know those that have). I applaud those willing to put themselves on the line for this issue.
The science is in. The answers are available. All that is lacking is the political and social will.RHP User
5 years ago
Are easy it's just engineering, the hard bit is the politics and the policy setting to allow the scientists, engineers, and economists to do their thing. The best tool we had was the carbon tax, it punished the polluter, and rewarded the adapter while allowing a free market to find it's own solutions and yet we threw it in the (coal) fire. It will be a brave politician who snatches that out. I'll shut up now.
RHP User
5 years ago
That a lot of places would be under water by the year 2000. I guess Im not going to research any scientific claims, pro or against. Ill have my own opinion. Man made? Maybe but not wholly directly you or me.....all of the greedy big companies that you cant fight against. The earth is in a mess but I dont believe there will be a mass human extinction in the next 10 years. People glueing themselves to the road wont change anything
FeistyFatty
5 years ago
CoxParadox.... sorry but I have to disagree. I vehemently agree with the words of the Brisbane Politician you mentioned and they ARE inconveniencing people... ALOT of people...... not to mention emergency services having the ability to attend their duties if called upon for assistance in these areas. I understand protesting is partly "starting conversations", but these muppets are starting the wrong conversations. Not prompting rational discussions on supposed/alleged Climate change (I'm including these Extinction Catastrophists in this group) but instead on how disruptive they're being and for some, how ridiculous their antics Actually are (gluing themselves to roads, coffins with fake blood, boats with people stuck on them)..... seriously grab a Subway and a Coke and you've got Dinner And a Show lol.
Find it amazing how many people support their theatrics actually. But I guess if you're "passionate about a cause" it doesn't matter if you abide by the Law🤷♀️RHP User
5 years ago
We didn’t expect so many responses. But so far it has been quite a good debate. Now we will weigh in a little. Ok unfortunately as a country we will make little to no impact nor will most of the other countries that protest and carry on. India and China have the highest population and the highest pollution out put. Now the science. Which side of the debate you are on. I’m not denying that there is some forms of man made problems. Now don’t get us wrong the advancement in renewable energy is great unfortunately most people don’t realise the amount of products and energy used to create
Most renewable energy. A wind turbine for example takes nearly 25 years to create the amount of energy used to createFeistyFatty
5 years ago
Great Topic OP.... Makes a nice change around the forums👍🏻
Sawadee
5 years ago
But I'm a believer the climate has changed.. I can give examples but i won't because some ppl become too over heated and I cant be bothered debating.. . The only thing l have to say is: When David Attenborough speaks we should listen .. Heres a highly respected man who has seen devastation first hand and tells you.. Apart from that ' where have all the bee's gone ?
Salubrious1
5 years ago
I used to do a lot of work for a large environmental organisation but got tired of the exaggerated claims aimed to alarm people into donating funds for the cause and a general lack of integrity . There is a documentary about to screen on Netflix about Walrus dying because of climate change that is narrated by Sir DA . He just reads a script , he is now in a predicament because it has come out that the producers have duped him and the Walrus deaths have nothing to do with climate change.I'd like a clean world but the simple fact is apart from nuclear power there is no other reliable base load power apart from fossil fuels ,hydro (greens don't like dams) and geo-thermal ( greens don't like fracking) . Most of the over blown computer modelling predictions like ice free polar regions have not happened . The North West Passage is still not a reliable route for non ice rated vessels .So where is the credibility . The protesters in my experience rarely research what they see on social media . If they pushed for solutions like making the UN insist on carbon scrubbers on fossil fuel power stations , etc they would have my support . In my opinion plastics and population growth are more of a global threat then CO2 .
RHP User
5 years ago
Its easy for sweden to be so demanding. Theyre a wealthy nation with everything . Most families there own dual houses. One in the city one in the country
What about the billions of humans living in developing countries who want the same level of existence as the developed world? They cant afford to pay high taxes just so their governments can meet western world quoters.
Theyll keep on burning millions of tonnes of rubbish. Dumping waste into the ocean. Using crude oil etc
They have families that need to be fed. Nothing will change there. Its arrogant of sweden to be so demanding. Its swedish compaines that sell billions of goods wrapped in plastic satchels that end up in the ocean. Maybe they should look at themselves.
The filipino president requested nestles stop with the satchels since its a huge environmental issue in asia. Nestles said no . Not interested.RHP User
5 years ago
There's quite a few thoughts for me (oh god, here comes one of my wordy posts again).
I definitely think the science is settled, and it is all there online (and elsewhere, but mostly online) for anyone to see if they are interested. Here is the point though, for me at least; people have made their minds up already on this and did so years ago. Climate change has been a constant media topic/debate for over a decade now, and I think most people have settled on the side of the fence they wish to. Both sides can shout at each other all they like, they are not going to change the other sides mind. There may be a few fence-sitters that can be convinced one way or the other, but overall I think that not only is the science settled but the debate is also settled.
I support the protests, and would even if I didn't support their argument. Protests are a time-honored tradition that allow people to voice their unhappiness with something. They are supposed to be disruptive; little would be gained from protestors setting up in the least conspicuous or annoying location. They want to be noticed, whether you like it or not. Too many keyboard warriors these days thinking they can change the world from the comfort of their own home or local café. So kudos to the protestors from me.
Having said that, I do believe that many young people participating in the protests are talking the talk but not walking the walk. There is a modicum of truth to the memes sprouting up everywhere about the protestors sacrificing the modern accoutrements that many no doubt have. There would be a hardcore element to the protestors that put their money where their mouth is, carefully considering their everyday activities and their overall lifestyle so as to minimize the effect to the environment. Buy a phone and keep it for years until it is essentially unusable anymore, don't just toss your old one when a new model comes out. Take public transport or ride a bicycle, don't buy a car. All that kind of thing. I would be willing to put decent money on a sizeable chunk of the protestors not really understanding the level of sacrifice that would be required to arrest climate change. I remember a few years ago one of the CSIROs boss Larry Marshall causing outrage among his peers and the media (ABC were apoplectic) for suggesting that the focus needed to shift from preventing climate change to learning to live with it, as arresting climate change he now considered to be an exercise in futility.
I may sound ridiculously optimistic, but I think that the human species is a remarkably adaptive and innovative one. I think (or choose to believe) that we will clean up our act, the technology that enables us to do so is getting more efficient and less expensive. I agree with Mr Marshall though, we need to just learn to deal with what comes. Don't stop trying to clean up the planet, but get ready for what is coming (and that is not a mass extinction Greta Thunberg, stop being so hyperbolic).RHP User
5 years ago
Not going to go into detail about my opinions but I do support the protesters. I have a friend who is one of them, and she has my utmost respect. She knows that she might be arrested whilst fighting for what she believes in. She is much braver than I am.
Also, I agree that the moves by governments to make these protests illegal is wading into very dangerous territory. If you think that this government will stop at just making climate change protests illegal, you're very naive. China didn't become the way it is overnight. It's a slow process of the gradual loss of one freedom after another and our government has fine form in this area.RHP User
5 years ago
Climate change is highlighting the inertia and corruption of our political systems.These protests will get worse.Sooner or later that propaganda term terrorist will be applied to them.When that term sticks all those anti-terror laws you thought where only for muslims and foreigners will be turned internally against our children and grandchildren as fight to save the planet from a broken political system.
wildcrazyloving
5 years ago
Taking the opportunity to check out the environmentally minded rhp friends ;)
countrytouch82
5 years ago
Sweet,
Sorry but the average wind turbine takes less than 6 months to makeup the energy from its manufacture, transport, installation and decommissioning. This information is very very easy to research.
Unfortunately many allegations get out there that aren't true. Like the old single volcano that supposedly emits more than mankind in a year. Websites like skeptical science attempt to correct this kind of thing.
Yes the climate activists in their protests are causing a nuisance, but considering their cause, many other marches and protests have happened and include shutting down of train and tram and bus networks for a pay rise.
badboyhere
5 years ago
I think Koko mentioned it before, but this is not the way to finding a solution.
I agree with Koko’s comments that there is a better way by putting our minds together and finding better solutions, not protesting about it. What does that achieve?
I would much rather be in the camp that recognises that there is a problem and taking the best actions to find solutions rather than being in the camp the bitches and protests about the problem and trying to force changes that may or may not actually do anything to solve this issue.
Have any of these protestors actually come up with any realistic actionable and supportable steps to reverse the affects of what humans have done to our planet over the last two centuries? UnlikelyRHP User
5 years ago
Surely it’s not the protesters job to solve the problems, they are simply asking for government to show some leadership and direction so the people who can come up with solutions can do their work.
SSExplorer
5 years ago
Oh FFS I try and keep some civility around here but some subjects will get me too hot under the collar to keep a lid on it....so I will let all the self centred, selfish and apathetic who think that nothing trumps their right to have their self serving opinions keep believing they don’t have to be accountable for anything.
So on a rare drive into the CBD for an important meeting I was held up 100m from the car park, how life changingly annoying that was. I don’t think I’ll ever get over it!
I was forced to do a u turn over double yellow lines and now feel like a piece of dirty coal for breaking the law, then I fell great shame in chuckling that I had to drive an extra 15 minutes burning more fossil fuels than I needed to.
Oh these pesky rights to freedom to demonstrate against the status quo, we should quash it now and just relinquish all control to our dear government as we all know they have our best interests at heart!
Argh this might not do my Hot or Not scores any favours so I’ll resist in pressing the reply button....oops!RHP User
5 years ago
Ok figures may have been slightly wrong on the information we found. But will stand that to create the current renewable energy’s we would actually need to do significantly more damage then we do now certain minerals needed are quite rare and in short supply. Again we can all do our part turn shit off when your not using it if you can put solar panels up even if they do use a lot of certain resources to produce. Have shorter showers. Use reusable cups etc. use timber products instead of plastic glass or metal where practical. We could keep going.
Now this was never meant to start a political debate of any sort was more a vent for what we find annoying. And generally hypocritical activistsRHP User
5 years ago
On and yer we could put up the figures for making and standing a wind turbine which include upto 45 ton of plastic products anywhere upto 900 ton of concrete upto 2000 ton of steel etc etc work out the per ton rate for each component and the figures are astronomical. USA tons not metric
SSExplorer
5 years ago
1 open mine truck weighs 200 000kg
3785L petrol tank
7500l of hydraulic fluids that need replacing at service
400 tonne of coal each load
Thermal efficiency of coal to electricity is around 40%
Yep that’s efficiency for you
Just because something is hugely profitable does not make it a good thing, after all one of the most profitable industries to be in is War, I guess so long as it’s not on our shores that’s ok too?RHP User
5 years ago
Valid argument. Not saying coal is good but we are not currently able to produce sufficient renewable energy to meet demands. And we certainly can’t produce it at a price the average person can afford. Oh and the hydraulic oil doesn’t have to be changed every service just saying
RHP User
5 years ago
Oh yer sorry if in any way our views etc. offend you in anyway we really aren’t trying too. It’s merely our opinion and we don’t expect everyone to have the same otherwise it would be hugely boring and as such if we don’t agree with yours it doesn’t mean anything either it’s a personal belief and ideal and as people we are all allowed to have our own in a free society
countrytouch82
5 years ago
The answers are either here or ready or could be in development with more funding.
One of the most sustainable and safe options is nuclear fusion (as opposed to nuclear fission with Radioactive elements) which is the normal type we have. Nuclear fusion is the same as the process occurring within the sun.
While there is funding for this research, about 50 billion spent worldwide so far, it is a difficult process to achieve. So people question whether it is worth the money on said research.
However, the luxury pet product industry of just the United States was over 70 billion in just a year.
So the money is certainly there to do both. More money could be allocated, but remember, this is also a possible replacement and or competition to the existing coal and oil Industries.
In our case the current government wishes to continue the status quo for as long as possible, which is what the protests are also about.
DynamicCouple36
5 years ago
Denial
We, the custodians of this planet that we all share and live on, are systematically polluting and poisoning the rivers, oceans and the air that we all breathe.
We have wiped out many species and are in the process of destroying rain forests and finely balanced ecosystems. We have poisoned the soils that feed us, and the bees and other beneficial insects that pollinate our crops.
Anyone who believes that we can simply carry on in such a destructive manner is clearly in denial.
Someone has to take a stand and encourage people to wake up and smell the proverbial roses before it is too late.
Each and every one of us needs to pull finger and get out there and make a difference. Not only by raising awareness but also by being responsible in the choices that we make with regards our lifestyles and the goods that we consume.
Yes some / many activists get out of hand and lose control and get caught up in the politics of it all, and it is easy for the apathetic keyboard warriors (in here) to point fingers and label them as lunatics, tall poppies or whatever. The fact remains is that the earth will not survive our destructive way of treating it.
What is going to happen when entire ecosystems collapse ? When the lungs of this earth are no longer able to clean our air . When we have caught the last fish in the ocean and cut down the final tree? Only then will we realise that we cannot eat money.
What we we leaving behind for our children and their children ? Can the damage that we have already done ever be undone?RHP User
5 years ago
Quoting 'sweetpussy4u'
Now this was never meant to start a political debate of any sort was more a vent for what we find annoying. And generally hypocritical activistsThere's a whole lot of politics involved. I don't think you can expect a topic like this to not get into the political aspects.I would also say that most of us are hypocrites in one way or another. To say that people can only protest about climate change if they are squeaky clean in their personal environmental credentials is totally unrealistic. These days, you would basically not be able to do anything - not eat, not use any form of shelter, not wear any clothes at all - to claim that you're not harming the environment in some way. The difference is that the protesters are actively trying to bring about change and alternatives so that the things we do are not as environmentally harmful. As usebi pointed out, it's also not their job to be coming up with the fixes - although in many cases they actually do point out what some of those fixes are. We have many alternatives already available, and more could be identified fairly easily, but the active efforts by governments and vested interests to suppress these alternatives is the main barrier.
QLDtwo4fun
5 years ago
If you look at the age, ethnic, gender, and cultural diversity of XR it is a broad based movement. It's a it started in May 2018 and is now almost world wide. As the summer warms up and the frequency of extreme weather events increases the X-RAY movement will grow, until government listens. Remember the anti Vietnam war movement.
RHP User
5 years ago
Some of us still drive cars, eat meat ( animal agriculture being a huge factor in emissions and deforestation), buy food wrapped in plastic, bypass op shops for new clothing...the list goes on. Until we all do our absolute utmost to help the planet we cant be calling out others. And that includes me. There are some hard changes to make.
ROBJEN
5 years ago
As for the protesters, there is a difference between drawing attention to a cause through peaceful protest and creating civil anarchy. Some protesters have good intentions while others are just anarchists who have no idea of the cause, they just get off on the process. Not going to weigh in on this part ..... some I will support, others should be gaoled.
There are so many different aspects to the climate change debate. This is a normal and natural cycle (finish reading before jumping on me please, lol) the planet has been doing it for billions of years and will continue to after we are gone. As it cycles through, species evolve with it and survive or they die out. If you look at fossil records and atmospheric gas records, some species thrived in higher than current CO2 levels and others thrived in higher O2 levels than we have at present. Most of which don’t exist today. Anyone who thinks humans will still be here in another 100 million years are pretty much kidding themselves.
However, this said we are accelerating the process and accelerating it at a speed where species don’t have the chance to evolve. Will it kill the planet, no. We will probably wipe out ourselves and a lot of other species as well, but without us it will recover over time. The high CO2 will be ideal for vegetation to regenerate, clear the air and another apex species will emerge and evolution will go on.
So the argument is more about our survivability as a species. Are we going to solve the problem and reverse the process? Honestly I do not believe we will.
Everyone is too busy arguing over who is burning what whether it is coal or gas or renewables. But no one is talking about the root cause of why we are constantly increasing our emissions. It is our population. The more we populate this planet, the more resources we need, the more land we need to clear, the more water we need to consume and use to irrigate, the more waste we produce and the more emissions we create.
2000 years ago, there was a population of about 300 million and today the population is 7,736,391,238. We reached one billion about 1800, two billion in 1930, three billion in 1960 and four billion in 1974. We have almost doubled it again in the last 45 years. India and China account for almost half the worlds population and still remain the fastest growing (stats are from the U.N by the way).
We have two sides bitterly arguing over climate change and who is burning what ..... but god forbid someone infringe on the human rights of another by limiting how many children one can have and address the real root of the problem. Then you can add to the mix that no one wants to die or lose someone close to them, so we advance medicine to reduce our mortality rate and the list goes on.
Even if we somehow achieved a global carbon emission level of 0%, who actually thinks we will still be here as a species in another 2000 years with a population increase of 100% every 40 years? I tried to calculate it, but I got an error message before I was even quarter of the way through.
BTW ..... in the time it took me to write this, there are now 4,358 more people in the world :-)ROBJEN
5 years ago
And RHP, your formatting drives me nuts!
Sorry for the big gaps peeps.
Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Follow the money they say.
Wanna know who oowned the yacht that Greta Turd sailed on.
Rothschild....George Soros also in with funding the scam.
Interesting how the experts are all listening to a teenage girl with mental disorder. Her mother has written 2 books blaming her mental disorders on climate change, really? Nothing to do with fetal alcohol syndrome.
Btw since i have been in this world i have survived the end of the world 4 times.
Global cooling
Acid rain
Hole in the oxone layer
Global warming
And now looks like I'm going to have to survive climate change.
Btw the climate scientists are paid by the UN..you know that big unelected socialists empire that drains our money, awards Saudia Arabia with a position on the international women's rights committee.
Praises Venezuella as a model country.
These same scientists predicted all the end of the world scenarios i have listed. Keep towing the UN line and you will keep getting your research funding.
Remember Australia is a country of drought and flooding rains...nothing has changed. This drought is not the worst by far in history. Increase population but not in water storage then of course there is going to be water shortages.
Funny how the UN forces developed countries to impose all the emissions restrictions that make everything to expensive to manufacture, what happens,? manufacturing moves to China, India yada. No emmisions restrictions on those countries eh. Its a way the UN are sharing the wealth around the world.
Climate activists need to take off their tunnel vision glasses and see they are just puppetsSSExplorer
5 years ago
The problem with human societies are OPINIONS!
We are not run in common sense or science we are ruled by fucking opinions!
Now I am not angry at any one person as we all, self included, fall into these traps.
With information comes misinformation so none of us can really know if our opinions have any validity, we are all just guessing.
I prefer to go back to basic common sense. Is it healthy for an ecosystem for one species to change the landscapes so much?
Do we just give up and keep going the way we are knowing our actions will ultimately destroy life as we know it on the planet but we will be dust many decades/centuries/Millenia before that so who cares if a few other species don’t make it as far?
What if we were to turn around and demand better of ourselves, limit our daily consumption of energy. I am pretty certain if each person had a daily energy cap then our energy consuming products would become more and more efficient so we can keep the retail monster turning over. Gee how about a crazy notion of banning planned obsolescence so for example the motors in our cars might last 50+years. I have an air cooled car that is nearly 40 years old and still drives like a dream, I only recently replaced the shocks as the seals had perished, of course I could have replaced them with newer trendier shocks but with 35 years service I went OEM.
We all think doing better is too difficult but is it really?ROBJEN
5 years ago
Like many on here we have solar panels. We are fortunate in the sense that we actually generate 25% more power then we use so I would like to think I am carbon neutral and don’t draw electricity, take the load of the grid, yadda, yadda, yadda ...... however in Australia it isn’t set up that way. Power is still generated and we still draw from the grid. Since we operate on a over’s and under’s system where it is just a calculation of the difference between draw and feed, it is more just a case of being bill neutral. The same applies to any renewable form.
SSExplorer
5 years ago
Haha Robjen have hit the nail on the head
RHP User
5 years ago
Roughly agree with most of what you said, re the population, most developed nations have peaked and are shrinking, it appears that as nations develop populations stabilise and shrink as quality of life goes up.
There is a really interesting demographer on YouTube called Hans Rosling who predicts a population ceiling of 11 billion. It’s a frightening number but maybe it will retreat from there over time. If we have it.
Overall I don’t think we can avoid climate change, nothing serious will be done until the results are catastrophic. Remember people get wisdom when they have exhausted all the alternatives.RHP User
5 years ago
Quoting 'rigguy'Interesting how the experts are all listening to a teenage girl with mental disorder. Her mother has written 2 books blaming her mental disorders on climate change, really? Nothing to do with fetal alcohol syndrome.
ROBJEN
5 years ago
Rigguy ....... only stats I drew from the U.N were population records.
SSexplorer ..... this is the problem with the debate. Let’s aim to halve emissions over the next 50 years; however in less than 40 years our global population has doubled and proportionally so have our emissions to cater to this increase. Therefore, we are back where we started.
Duke_n_Daisy69
5 years ago
When women campaigned for the vote they were met with exactly the same response from society that resisted important change.
We HAVE to change. And they are doing the best they can to force government to pay attention and (eventually) take action.
Protesting works. Thank goodness. Or we'd still be in Vietnam, women couldn't vote, being gay would be a crime, we'd have no holiday pay it sick pay. These people deserve our support for putting an issue we all care about before their own well being. Toughen up. Get the train to work. Ride your bike. Or better yet, join in.RHP User
5 years ago
So the argument is more about our survivability as a species. Are we going to solve the problem and reverse the process? Honestly I do not believe we will.
We have two sides bitterly arguing over climate change and who is burning what ..... but god forbid someone infringe on the human rights of another by limiting how many children one can have and address the real root of the problem. Then you can add to the mix that no one wants to die or lose someone close to them, so we advance medicine to reduce our mortality rate and the list goes on.
Even if we somehow achieved a global carbon emission level of 0%, who actually thinks we will still be here as a species in another 2000 years with a population increase of 100% every 40 years? I tried to calculate it, but I got an error message before I was even quarter of the way through.
BTW ..... in the time it took me to write this, there are now 4,358 more people in the world :-)
Some good points Robjen, but the bits I've harvested I have some comments to add. Do I think we can reverse the problem? No I don't, we are just going to have to adapt to a changing climate and whatever that entails.
As far as limiting population, China is only now coming to realize that there is a price to pay with that. They have an aging population with not enough young people to look after them (as is their norm). They dropped their one-child policy a few years back and are now trying to encourage their young to have more children. And guess what? Those young are not interested it seems in taking up the challenge.
Which leads me on to my next point about population control. I don't think you need to worry because the human population on the planet is predicted to hit around 10 billion by 2050, plateau thereafter with a slow increase to a peak prediction of 12 billion by 2100. The reason for this given by most experts is the drop in the number of people in the world living in absolute poverty. As people - I wont say get wealthier, more like they get less poor - they choose to have less children. As Australia is now discovering (or more like discovered a couple of decades ago), the more affluent people become the less they are interested in small squawky things. Australia relies on immigration to bolster our population, because if we just locked ourselves down and didn't let anyone inour population would decrease. As with any species, it really is populate or perish.
So I don't think we are headed for a ''population bomb'', I actually think humans will - just like is demonstrated in nature - hit the population level at which it is sustainable.SirTwistopher
5 years ago
If any social action makes the unaware person stop and ask "Why are they doing this"
I think that action is successful.
Have to say but the protests in Melbourne have recently caused a lot of drama for me getting to work, but I understand why they are doing it. Hopefully it all gets sorted asap.RHP User
5 years ago
For good behaviour everyone. Had to bite my tongue a few times but going well.
Yeah I know bit patronising. 👍👍👍👍countrytouch82
5 years ago
Like above, while we are building lots of renewable energy projects, our emissions are still increasing because of population growth, as we are populating faster then we can build new renewable projects (and some poor populations getting better off and increasing their lifestyle).
The cycle of ice ages and interglacial periods has been occurring over millions of years as a result of our orbital pattern (distance) around the sun affecting sunlight intensity on the surface. That process of ice formation and retreat occurs under a certain level of carbon dioxide content, so it has not happened all the time in the Earth's history. Now we will reach a carbon dioxide content level that will override the cooling that would have come from the next Ice Age (it hasn't been this high for as long as ice records can be measured, close to a million years). PS Why do deniers accept that there are warming and cooling patterns in the earth? Did the supposedly corrupt climate scientists tell them? After all they haven't witnessed an ice age have they?
As for extinction, has there are people on every corner of the planet in nearly all types of conditions already, I don't think an extinction of the human race is likely. It will just become much more difficult to keep a very large population.
As for the very very long term, when people talk about the Earth regenerating everything over time and new species forming and developing for environmental changes and niches, that is correct, but it seems to say that individual animals and plants and individual species, and individual ecosystems like reefs, do not matter essentially, as the Earth and life will continue. To come to the extreme long-term is when the Earth likely gets swallowed by the sun when it becomes a red giant, in a few billion years. So what is the point of doing anything? For the benefit of life that currently exists and is currently alive, and the immediate foreseeable future.ROBJEN
5 years ago
Okey ..... who knows what the future will bring, lol.
The U.N. actually presented 8 different models, with 4 being considered probable projections. Each one was based on considerations of falling fertility rates, increasing education, immigration levels, whether or not we would befall another cataclysmic event or things sailing along as normal.
The 11-12 million plateau was based on the best case scenario following global trends as you mentioned with a medium fertility rate, higher education, less poverty, steady immigration, etc.
On the low end, they predicted a drop to around 6.5 billion at 2100 allowing for lower fertility rates and a global event resulting in high mortality.
On the higher end, it is predicted to be 16 to 18 billion should fertility rates remain steady and achieving decreased mortality rates in the Asian, African sub-Saharan continents.
On the extreme end, where fertility rates continue and the ideal world doesn’t develop and we achieve low mortality in Africa / Asia, they have expected a population of 27 billion by 2100.
Guess they are hedging their bets each way, lol 🙂ROBJEN
5 years ago
Formatting got me again 😩
ROBJEN
5 years ago
Got to agree, lol.
When I first read the OP, I thought this will go badly.
But it’s actually been very interesting and civil.Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Btw people if we survive this so called climate change..survived 4 end of the earths already, what is going to happen when the magnetic poles flip.
Maybe the climate has something to do with the poles moving as we all know that when the solar flares hit earth it creates a negative charge that creates a low pressure system.
Moon is out of whack in the orbits which Nasa has written studies on that say greatly affect our weather.
Research the poles flipping and you will get a almighty scare on how much they have moved in the last couple of years.
Do some research away from the propaganda put out by the UN and the Rothschilds and Soros'sRHP User
5 years ago
Its incredible how this issue has been dealt with. Now i know science is not 100%right 100% of the time, but its been fairly solidly established now that humans are contributing to climate change. The degree as to what the fall out will be is hard to model, predictions are exactly that, predictions. Politics needs to get the hell out of the way and respond to the science, not opinion.
We are headed for catastrophe. growing population combined with inability to feed everyone . Island nations drowning, polar caps melting, farming collapsing from extreme weather events, such as droughts, becomung increasingly more common .
I applaud the people who had the guts to protest, i know a few myself, i saw a friend of mine on the news. And guess what, all of the people i know who were involved do the best they can in this modern world to live as sustainably as possible. They arent hypocrites, and just because most people dont make sacrifices for their beliefs, it does not mean that theres not people out there that make life choices based on their ideology.
Ignorance, opinion, and mis information combined with people taking a small fact blowing it up and using it to cast aspersions on a grand scale, the idea that the scientific community is pulling some kind of misdirection of facts... this all needs to be put by the wayside. Science has no opinion, It presents data. And scientist sure arent getting any kudos for pointing out how royally we have fucked ourselves.
People need to put opinion aside and start working on the scientifically supported solutions. The time for opinion is passed. If it takes some small inconvenience for that change to happen , pfft what a tiny price to pay!!
eroarts
5 years ago
Yes SSExplorer...fucking opinions...again, I think it was JFK who said something like - the comfort of opinions rather than the discomfort of thought.
countrytouch82
5 years ago
Interesting that Trump mentions climate change as a Chinese hoax, yet China actually has one of the largest developments of wind turbines. Interesting how a few so-called brainwashed lefties have somehow managed to infiltrate the total controlling communist Chinese government and get their supposed agenda happening there... :P
eroarts
5 years ago
Women were jailed and beaten for demonstrating to achieve the right to vote, as were the other major demonstrators you mentioned.
Starlet1
5 years ago
We support the Extinction Rebllionn and the important work they do.
Let’s de-carbonise the economy, solve global heating, then let’s all get on with our lives.bikin1model
5 years ago
Can someone tell me what the ideal temperature for life on earth is?
There used to be rainforest and an inland sea in central Australia, that would better than desert!
CO2 is plant food and will help old growth forests
The average land temperature has risen 0.8 deg in 120 yrs.
Al Gore lied his head off, made 250 million and buys waterfront mansion.
Teachers are telling our kids the world will end in 12 yrs, verging abuse I think
I chose to listen to a Nobel winning scientist than school teachers
https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/videos/34729/ivar-giaever-global-warming-revisited/meeting-2015RHP User
5 years ago
What a great read on the forums today.
Article 21 of the International Covenant on Civil and Article 21 of the International Convenant of Civil and Political Rights (1966) states that everyone has a civil and political right to be an activist and practise activism. It becomes unlawful only when the intended activists do not notify authorities of their proposed activities and therefore cause disruption to public order.
Activism has always been the driving force for change for example:
• Aboriginal rights
• Women's rights
• Civil rights in the US, South Africa and India for example
• Peace in Northern Ireland
Change was achieved because people became active and lobbied. Marches, burning bras, hunger strikes, sit-ins, pro-choice, #me too, black lives matter, all examples of the power of people when action is required as the antidote for despair.
Indifference and nonchalance about our environment and mother earth is no longer appropriate. We all know that what we are doing, and have done since the dawn of the industrial revolution, is not sustainable. We have to act. I don't pretend to imagine how difficult it would be to triage priorities of all the government's portfolios; defence, education, health, etc. But, what I do know is that Australia appears indifferent. Scott Morrison didn't attend the Climate Change summit in September and he was in the US. Globally, we need intrepid leaders and a paradigm shift in our profits if we are to begin to address the issue seriously of the damage we are doing to planet earth.
Good luck to the activists. We need the hard lefts, the hard rights and the rest of us in the middle of bell curve to create balance.RHP User
5 years ago
The third Netflix program about being inside Bill Gates brain offers an out-of-favour alternative to wind and solar. Worth a look, perhaps?
RHP User
5 years ago
You also survived: Nuclear winter, SARS, Swine flu, global cooling, over population, 1984, Y2K, atmospheric nuke tests, Ebola, Plague, endless bushfires.
The media loves a catastrophe and will happily hype the heck out of it while gullable people believe various fallacies like: argumentum ad populum or in our wonderful science world, argumentum verecundium with "scientists" acting as the religious authority. These scientists are only delivering papers that available funding will pay for and alot of funding is there for papers with a climate change theme, the science practiced would shame Karl Popper
The masses who glue themselves to roads have no concept of what a justified true belief even means and the non-religious among them don't realize that they are actually acting on faith. They are no more free thinkers than the deeply religious people they put themselves above. As with all the zealots, I have no issue with their belief systems as long as they don't impact me significantly. I can mostly afford the cost increases that these beliefs cause me and some of the side-effects could be positive (please work to ban diesel Greta).
As for hypocrisy... yeah, the price of airtravel should be increased by 10x to stop people travelling from a country with beautful beaches to another one 1000's kms away! How about banning open fireplaces, filters on cigarettes (they end up in the river and ocean with all kinds of carcinogens in them) or owning more than 2 cars in a lifetime (more pollution and cO2 when building a new car then operating it for 300000kms lol), oh it's too hard isn't it? How about we ban plastic straws and shopping bags instead? Please don't ban sex toys though ... that would have me gluing myself down somewhere ... using a natural non-toxic adhesive of course😈RHP User
5 years ago
I was there, great cause. Some of the tactics are extreme and full on but at the end of the day, you guys will have no world to moan on if something doesn't happen. Each to their own ✌
RHP User
5 years ago
When Australia had an inland Forrest it was a lot further south than we are now due to continental drift. The Finke river dates from when Australia was still connected to Antarctica.
RHP User
5 years ago
We never expected the level of response. And as a whole we are glad everyone has managed to keep posting intelligent comments. Agree or disagree it has been quite interesting reading through them
RHP User
5 years ago
They need to stop wasting everyone's time and money. They're all hypocrites. They have cars, use electricity, computers, paper, and own furniture. If they want real change, go get a job and develop or create solutions and alternatives instead of just whinging like spoilt children.
RHP User
5 years ago
I had a listen to Ivar Giaever, his field of expertise is tunnelling phenomena in superconductors, he was very vague and unsure of what he was dealing with and not that interested in the topic, seems like he may simply have been recruited as a status symbol. Anyway he has plenty of critics of his climate comments. As skepticalscience put it,
“Listening to Giaever's opinions on climate science is equivalent to giving your dentist a pamphlet on heart surgery and asking him to crack your chest open”
With the recent near hysterical rantings of the climate activists who seem to have swung behind fear and guilt rather than proof and facts I’ve begun looking at the denial arguments to try and find firmer footing for my own position, so far all I’ve found is quicksand. ☹️
daytime_playtime
5 years ago
Still waiting on the media to report on what these people are actually trying to achieve. I haven't seen a manifesto as yet.
Should we all be more environmentally friendly, hell yes.
Will building a few dozen more windmills stop 'climate change ', hell no.
Everything we do, everything every animal species on earth does, has ever done and will ever do affects the environment. Humans could jump to Mars right now, every single one of the 7 billion of us, and climate change would continue. Is that an emergency, no, just life on earth.
The movement of the poles is a bigger issue than CO2 (which makes up just 0.04% of our atmosphere by the way).Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Countrytouch, Trump calls out China for avoiding emmisions obligations because they are classified as a 'developing nation' the emit around 40% of the worlds polution. If Trump hadn't pulled out of the Paris agreement the USA would have had to pay a billion dollars a year to countries like China. WTF?
The SBS has been caught not putting in low temperatures for the month so to inflate the 'average' temperatures.
If the climate nutters were fair dinkum they would be protesting in China, Vietnam and the like because that is where to pollution is coming from.
Much the same as you never see feminists from the western world protesting in Iran and Saudi Arabia...gutless.
I watched a doco recently and a journalist went to a save the earth rally...it was very funny when he was interviewing people and tjey were condemning the use of fossil fuels and got cranky when he told them the takeaway containers were polystyrene.
He then asked others how much the earth had warmed over the last 30 years...30degrees, 100 degrees and numbers like that. When he told then it was .05 of a degree the look on their face was priceless.
Don't believe the exaggerated numbers these groups quote, do some proper research.RHP User
5 years ago
There will always be climate change, so it is an oxymoron... these fucking people are just morons
RHP User
5 years ago
This tongue biting is torture.
lucykai
5 years ago
Failing to see what this has to do with swinging or casual anonymous sex.. outside to say global environmental collapse will probably impede our ability to engage in said activities
RHP User
5 years ago
Quoting 'lucykai'
Failing to see what this has to do with swinging or casual anonymous sex.. outside to say global environmental collapse will probably impede our ability to engage in said activities
has been posted in the 'off topic' section. Which is a section for anything not related to sex. Just because people have come onto the site for reasons related to sex and swinging, doesn't mean that some aren't interested in discussing other topics as well.RHP User
5 years ago
I'm an aviation buff , I watched a you tube doco(Glacier Girl) on a WW2 aircraft that crash landed on a glacier in Greenland in the 1940's , in the 1990's it was recovered from under 80 meters of ice . In 2018 another team went out to the location to recover another aircraft (a number crash landed together), Now with all the news of Greenland Glaciers melting you would think that they would be closer to the surface . Wrong ,during global warming another 10 meters of ice has built up on that Glacier . So how does a Glacier get thicker but disappear ? something doesn't add up . Something to remember about scientists that head departments , a lot of them will be elitist and believe they are smarter than most people and most likely they are but it also means that they will also find it difficult to publicly admit when they are wrong . The Climate change industry is huge and they want funding, if they new 100% that CO2 had little to do with climate change would they own up and jeopardise their careers ?
A also applaud the people that get off their arse and protest but not the anarchists who have no clue about what they are protesting and are only there to cause chaos . is it right to tell children the world is going to end in 12 years when even the most hard core Climate Scientist will say that is rubbish .
I personally don't believe that CO2 is wholly responsible for the warming period recently , there are other factors like solar flares , Milankovitch cycle , de-forestation and the list goes on . Is it good to work towards a clean world , I doubt anyone would be against that . Sadly apart from Nuclear Power there is no other source of reliable base load power . I asked a friend who is the head of an environmental group what he suggested for base load power when he was pushing the government to move to 100% renewable power . He didn't know what base load power was . So how can you demand the change from all fossil fuels in 3 years, when there is no alternative. I live in Queensland ,on average we have no wind at night and solar panels don't work well at night . A Telsa power wall battery costs $10000aud and has a 10 year life span , it will not power an average house ( A/C going , roast in the oven and kettle on for a cuppa ) all by itself . you would have to turn the AC off while the chook cooks . Will there be clean base load power in the future , I hope so . As CT82 has already mention nuclear fusion might be the clean power . The battery tech is not there yet and has anyone seen what a lithium or cobalt mine looks like , those same dump trucks that move coal are used to mine for" green" batteries burning 6000litres of diesel a day .RHP User
5 years ago
As above that’s why we posted it in off topic. We have also posted and commented on other posts in different categories.
RHP User
5 years ago
IMHO anyone pissed off at protesters - think about how pissed off your children and grand children will be at you for not acting, when the world is 3-4 degrees warmer, 100 year floods happen every 3-5 years, 100 year bushfires happen every 3-5 years, all our beautiful low lieing coastal towns are gone, millions of climate refugees struggle to survive or perish, and most of the world’s ecosystems have died because they can’t adapt fast enough,
Then who’ll be pissed?
The warning signs have been clear for 30 years and our weak visionless governments do sweet FA, stabbing each other in the back over and over just to get power, and big business campaigns against change. Civil disobedience is the only way to raise enough public awareness and voter intention to get policy makers to act. Power to them!! They’re not a fringe mob - they’re part of a massive growing global movement. Stop whinging and go out there and support them, because they’re courageous enough to speak loudly and are getting arrested for speaking truth to power, for all of our futures.
G. Michael Hopf penned a good quote...
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times’”
The answer is simple... Love more, hate less, and have lots more sex.
Because hard men create fun times 😘
😎RHP User
5 years ago
Their goal is to bring the climate emergency to greater public awareness. And it’s working.
The danger is that it will polarise society. We ALL need to be compassionate and listen carefully, not jump to conclusions. Respond with empathy, not reactive with upset.
To find out more about the movement, their purpose, events and demands, visit their websites.
Global site:
https://rebellion.earth/international-rebellion/
Australia site:
https://ausrebellion.earth/RHP User
5 years ago
Is how low you can take down a power station before turning it off, it affects a system’s flexibility and is usually a coal power thing although I imagine it might apply to nuclear.
So think of it like a charcoal bbq and a gas one, charcoal bbq let the fire go out you have to light it again and wait till it’s ready, gas, turn the knob and light it.
We export our gas and burn coal so working with solar and wind our flexibility is crippled.
Hydro electric is also pretty responsive.
I’m not an expert on nuclear but I do know the waste issue is far from solved.
I remember some figures from a few years ago saying something like if the whole developed world went nuclear the uranium would run out in 80 years so I think the proportion we have now is ok, especially since it’s not here. 😃RHP User
5 years ago
It really depends on what and who you base your opinions on.Scientists, or politicians and big business.Interestingly, the money being spent promoting science denialism and anti climate change messages is enormous, wbich is interesting if it is true.And as for the 'the climate always changes', well, a great line, except it fails to take into account that we are making it change much, much faster than normal, so the ecosystems have no time to adapt.We are part of that ecosystem.As for the protestors, well, disruption is part of the method of protest. Anti war protests, civil rights, womens rights, union movements, all protested and were demonised at the time yet here we are...It just comes down to if you care about your kids future I suppose.
jerryc
5 years ago
You don't have to be Einstein to figure out that a northern Euro teen has more impact than our recent local protests. Protests on the ground don't work - the government doesn't give a fuck about protests, unless violent.What our dickhead government only believes in is economics. Invest your superannuation in institutions that are green, buy green, don't buy dirty, or limit it.Some investments funds are now refusing to pour investment money into dirty industry. Things are slowly changing.If investment dollars start to dry up, you will have governments acting with far greater haste.
RHP User
5 years ago
Regardless of where you stand on climate change, here are some things to consider;The purpose of a peaceful protest is to inconvenience and disrupt. It's to confront people or the government about perpetuating a broken, destructive or oppressive system and to highlight and prompt discussion about a particular issue.
Take this post of yours for example. In your frustration, you have initiated a discussion about climate change on an adult sex site. People are contributing to the discussion, sharing opinions & their findings, reading others’ opinions & findings, possibly learning something new about an issue upon which their mind may have already been made. How powerful is that?
If you don't agree with what the protesters are fighting for then fine, but don't hate on them for exercising their right to free speech (or for bravely and passionately making a stand for the irreplaceable work of art that is our natural world)RHP User
5 years ago
If you find these protests irritating, imagine how frustrating you’re going to find the impacts of climate change.
Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Relaxedevenings...name the impacts, use facts not emotion or false extinction rebellion statistics
RHP User
5 years ago
Ok now we are starting to get a few slightly emotional responses. Again remember this is an adult website there fore we should all be adults and respect each other’s opinions. That said if somebody’s version of events or statistics etc seem ludicrous to you the counter argue
Subaquatic69
5 years ago
@rigguy.....
Here are 10....
The largest oil spill occurred in Kuwait during the Gulf war on 19 January 1991. It was a deliberate act by the Iraqi forces as they opened oil valves to slow down the advance of American troops. Around 330 million gallons of oil were spilled on to the sea, which covered more than 4,000 square km with a 4 inch thick oil slick.
The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico on 22 April 2010, which is known as the largest accidental spill in history, released an estimated 210 million gallons of oil into the ocean. The spill was caused by the explosion at the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf region. The oil continuously flowed for over 85 days until it was capped on 15 July 2010. The massive oil spill left 572 miles of shoreline covered with oil slick and cost the lives of thousands of birds and marine creatures. Experts have stated that this oil spill will have long term environmental impact.
Oil well Ixtoc 1 in the Bay of Campeche in Mexico exploded due to pressure buildup in June 1979, releasing 140 million gallons into the sea for ten months. The spilled oil covered the area of 1100 square miles and caused severe damage to marine life.
The explosion of Atlantic Empress, which was the result of the collision of two full supertankers off the coast of Tobago in the Caribbean Sea ranks as number 4 in our list. The accident released 88.3 million gallons of oil to the ocean. It also damaged both ships, and caused one of the tankers to explode claiming the lives of 26 crew members.
The massive Nowruz oil field spill in the Persian gulf of Iran took place on 10 February 1983. The spill occurred when an oil tanker crashed into the Nowruz field platform during the war between Iran and Iraq, damaging the oil field underneath and releasing over 80 million gallons of crude oil to the sea. The spill continued for 7 months and leaked approximately 1,500 barrels of oil per day.
The explosion of ABT Summer tanker in 1991 off the coast of Angola, spilled 80 million gallons of oil into the ocean, causing oil slick that covered the area over 80 square miles. The tanker burned for three days before sinking; however the oil was broken up by high seas, therefore caused relatively small environmental damage.
The Kovla River oil spill which took place on 6 August 1983 in Russia was caused by the poor maintenance of the pipeline. This resulted the release of 84 million gallons of fuel. The dike containing the oil had collapsed due to cold weather conditions, causing the oil to spread across 170 acres of streams, bogs and marshes, destroying the whole ecosystem.
Tanker Amoco Cadiz ran aground off the coast of Brittany, France, in 1978, spilling 68.7 million gallons of oil. The accident was caused by the failure to steer the vessel during a severe storm. The oil was spilled into the English Channel, claiming the lives of hundreds of thousands of marine creatures.
Explosion of the M/T Haven tanker off the coast of Italy on 11 April 1991 killed six people and leaked 45 million gallons of oil for 12 years. The reason for the explosion was thought to be the ship’s lack of maintenance. The oil spill caused severe damages to the marine life.
The Torrey Canyon oil spill near Scilly Isles (UK) occurred on 18 March 1967. The supertanker collided with a reef off the coast of Cornwall, spilling around 36 million gallons of oil into the sea. The spill polluted 180 miles of coastland and the oil slick expanded for over 270 nautical miles, killing more than 15,000 birds and damaging marine life in the whole region.RHP User
5 years ago
Most of you don't know that co2 is good for growth of living organisms... When carbon dioxide levels were much higher back in the day Earth thrived, abundance of life forms in massive size, enormous animals and plants.
Nowadays we are approaching another shift in climate, which is natural change as it happened many times over thousands of years. Eco terrorism movements are sponsored to make attention and justify more taxes on working class people.
To make clear all the plastic rubbish, using petrol fuels and general consumptionism is a chain on human development, free energy is known for at least 50 years. Don't blame government, big corporations, banks and constant chase of growth is our problem.
People/Earth or $$$Profit - what comes first?RHP User
5 years ago
Hmmm, good profile name.
RHP User
5 years ago
For me the answer is staring everyone in the face but the hardcore environmentalists are going to have to come terms with the fact that if we want to reduce emissions and keep some sort of standard of living then we may as well start building nuclear power plants. It's the only current way to get a big amount of energy without the carbon emissions.
RHP User
5 years ago
Good topic. I really do worry for the world. Not a fan of protesters causing problems to people going about there own business. Either way global warming is here to stay in the media and whether it’s happening of not we are sure fast tracking the world to be a cleaner greener place.. and that’s a win for us all.
Haggisvegimite
5 years ago
Good to see people born last century getting involved. Whatever they or we do take a stance. Makes life interesting. We can't all be obedient drones...now that would be boring...like Sydney today. Whatever happened to that place?
LillyandTheFun
5 years ago
Protesting is essential to making a change...women would not have voting rights if there had been no protesting! Protesting has helped in so many ways.
If it’s peaceful what is the problem?Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Subaquatic, yip been a few oil spills over the years. Seen the data on the Deepwater spill? Scientists say that is gone, little micropes in the water have been devouring the oil.
If you are worried about some oil spills wait until all the solar panels start breaking down and releasing all their toxic chemicals into the environment. Then factor in the batteries from the cars...wind turbines all breaking down or can't be disposed of because of the toxicity.Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Subaquatic, looking at your profile you seem to be enjoying the benefits of oil in your life.
RHP User
5 years ago
Endgame is a carbon tax, another tax on farmers and small businesses.
Another tax for politicians to play with and civil servants to waste.
We all know this, the protesters get too take the high moral ground, while playing into capitalists hands.
Clowns , attention seekers , standard self righteous inner city lefty fucks.RHP User
5 years ago
Rigguy how about you demonstrate the falsehood of the extinction revolutions statistics and back up your giant conspiracy allegation with some facts and not emotion like the offensive hateful "Greta Turd" statementBigthickdick " Eco terrorism"? When have they ever intentionally slaughtered innocent human beings?
RHP User
5 years ago
@rigguy it’s pretty extensively presented in the IPCC reports. Not a pleasant, but accessible for all to read if you’re actually interested in listening to expert opinion and evidence
ROBJEN
5 years ago
This was never the answer and neither is the current system of offsetting with credits.
The problem is that the intent of both systems was to make manufacturing companies reduce emissions to lower costs. However, they were allowed to add these expenses into their cost of manufacture and pass it down the line to the end consumer. So really, the end result is simply higher prices with no emission reduction because there is no incentive .... people still need or want their products.
The only way either system would be truly effective would be to legislate in a manner where the manufacturer must absorb the cost of the tax or credit out of their annual profits and are prohibited from passing it on. But to do this, there would also need to be extreme penalties to go with it to ensure compliance, possibly to the extent of companies convicted would be forfeited to the state or similar ..... try to get that through parliament though.Swingingnudist
5 years ago
Yes people as I've already stated that yes there are reports..these reports are funded by the UN so if scientists want to continue getting funding they write the report to ensure they get refunded.
These same UN funded scientists put reports out that there was going to be a ice age, that didn't work so they went to acid rain, that didn't happen, lets try global warming, nup earth was cooling...on and on they go.
How about Al Gore? Im sure there are lots of people in this forum who support him. Became a billionaire from flying around the world telling everyone they are doomed...polar bears will be extinct by 2014!!!! In plague proprtions now. European coastal cities will be underwater by 2020....then flys back in his private jet gets onto his superyact then goes back to his mansion that burns through 10 times the power ofbthe average house...sits back and goes, thanks suckers.
Prof Flannery? Don't get me started on that idiot.
As i have said and other people as well.
FOLLOW THE MONEYRHP User
5 years ago
There is always one...
And the award for 'demonstrating your true colours under pressure' goes to...
Rigguy.RHP User
5 years ago
What toxicity ? Use facts please.
Several times now you have implored others to “ do their research” so, tell us about your “research”.
J2712
Carbon tax should be revenue neutral so any carbon tax should be balanced by a drop in income tax. Lol should.
Boards
Forum help
Something related with that
Going somewhere & want to hook up?
Hasn't that topic been posted before?
RHP's popular dating tool
Where the heck did that topic go?
Discover what RHP is doing offline
RHP member's RL secrets
reply
like
report